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EdK
August 23, 2006 @, 2:54 PM
The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS Sunday Morning Commentary, Sunday, 12/18/05. I found it interesting.

Herewith at this happy time of year, a few confessions from my beating heart: I have no freaking clue who Nick and Jessica are. I see them on the cover of People and Us constantly when I am buying my dog biscuits and kitty litter. I often ask the checkers at the grocery stores. They never know who Nick and Jessica are either. Who are they? Will it change my life if I know who they are and why they have broken up? Why are they so important?

I don't know who Lindsey Lohan is either, and I do not care at all about Tom Cruise's wife.

Am I going to be called before a Senate committee and asked if I am a subversive? Maybe, but I just have no clue who Nick and Jessica are.

If this is what it means to be no longer young, it's not so bad.

Next confession:
I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are: Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, "Merry Christmas" to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1 alt=" /emoticons/tongue.gif Malibou. If people want a cr?che, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from that<st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1 alt=" /emoticons/tongue.gif America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution, and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship Nick and Jessica and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him?

I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too.

But there are a lot of us who are wondering where Nick and Jessica came from and where the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1 alt=" /emoticons/tongue.gif America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this Happen?" (Regarding Katrina)

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc. I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill; thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about. And we said OK.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves.

Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell.

Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.

Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing.

Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing?








Edward Knight
Editor
Journey Books Publishing
Amazing Journeys Magazine

http://www.journeybookspublishing.com
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Jeff Stehman
August 23, 2006 @, 3:52 PM
The first half is Stein. The second half was added later. It isn't Stein and isn't entirely true.

--Jeff Stehman

Daniel
August 23, 2006 @, 4:04 PM
I have no freaking clue who Nick and Jessica are. I see them on the cover of People and Us constantly when I am buying my dog biscuits and kitty litter. I often ask the checkers at the grocery stores. They never know who Nick and Jessica are either. Who are they? Will it change my life if I know who they are and why they have broken up? Why are they so important?

I don't know who Lindsey Lohan is either

***

Yeah, who are these people and even more importantly, who are their PR reps!?

I agree with the 1st 2 paras of this quote quite enthusiastically.




Daniel
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davidolson22
August 23, 2006 @, 4:49 PM
Does it change to someone else at: 'I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too.'? It reads to me like the implication that it is all Ben Stein is accidental, not intentional.




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Jeff Stehman
August 23, 2006 @, 6:30 PM
Dragon Angel said...
Does it change to someone else at: 'I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too.'? It reads to me like the implication that it is all Ben Stein is accidental, not intentional.
That's Stein, as is the next line. 'In light of the many jokes' is where someone else takes over. Massively forwarded e-mails often pick up new bits and pieces over time, and confusing attributions like this one has are often a problem.

Snopes has an entry on this (be sure to read the update):

www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/benstein2.asp

--Jeff Stehman

davidolson22
August 23, 2006 @, 8:25 PM
Thanks for the info! It does definitely put a negative spin on everything that followed to know that it includes at leat one fact that is painfully inaccurate and misleading.

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BarbT
August 23, 2006 @, 10:34 PM
Bravo, Ben Stein!


Thumbs down to the writer of the "coda". Not that I don't agree with much of what is included there, but it shouldn't be anonymously riding Mr. Stein's coat tails around the Internet.


And thanks, EdK for posting it and Jeff for posting the information about the original. I hadn't seen it before.


Nick and Jessica?Y-a-w-n.





~Barb

Christopher_Heath
August 27, 2006 @, 2:17 AM
"Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out. How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"

This makes perfect sense, because there weren't any tragedies before people demanded Church and State be separated. People have the right to believe in god, but let's make logical arguments if you want to argue rather than simply rely on your faith. The reason Church and State needs to be separated is so you don't have religious favoritism. Not everyone in the country is Christian. How would the Christians feel ifthegovernmentstarted pushing Muslim teachings in all our state institutions? Suddenly the idea of separating Church and State would seem a good idea to them.







Christopher M. Heath

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"Azieran: In the Wake of Ain Koph's Fall" in Grendelsong #4
"Azieran: Kaiburr the Rotund"in Blood, Blade, and Thruster
"Azieran: Loxlimchk" in Turnpike Gates
"Azieran: The Crown of Roon" reprinted in SciFantastic #6
"Azieran: Creed of the Desert Kings" in Forgotten Worlds
"Azieran: Maixgloan" inGrendelSong #2
"Azieran: She of the White Lotus" in Sages and Swords
"Azieran: Blood and Kings" novella by Carnifex Press

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Raph
September 1, 2006 @, 2:29 AM
[quote]

Christopher Heath said...
Not everyone in the country is Christian. How would the Christians feel ifthegovernmentstarted pushing Muslim teachings in all our state institutions? Suddenly the idea of separating Church and State would seem a good idea to them. /emoticons/yeah.gif

Excellent point, Chris.If it's really so harmless, I'd love to hear the neo-con's arguments against having "In AllahWe Trust" printed on our money. /emoticons/tongue.gif

As an agnostic, I can see both sides of the argument. There do seem to be times when the PC police get a little out of hand. I have no problem with people displaying symbols of their faith in public places. But there are many gray areas when it comes to those displays being made by government institutions. I'd rather see them err a bit onthe PCside thanstart down the road to a state-sponsored religion. There are too many people trying to push our country down that road as it is.

I thinkBen Stein's senility is finally starting to show. Otherwise, he might understand that he has every right to worshipwhatever god he likes, just as I haveevery right not to worship any.But he confuses the Federal Government withAmerica. It's not. America, as a country,is a melting potfor people of many different beliefs; athiests are included among them. If he truly believes that religious people are a persecuted minority, then he's goneoff the deep end into raging paranoia. The Federal Government has to stand apart from any one belief system in order to assure thatourfreedom of choice remains inviolate.




Mike O.

Christopher_Heath
September 2, 2006 @, 12:11 AM
"The reason Church and State needs to be separated..."

I actually should have said, "One of many reasons..."

Now I'm starting to argue with myself. I should do a "Formidable Opponent" thread ala Stephen Colbert whereI argue with myself on every post. /emoticons/rofl.gif


Excellent points Mike O.




Christopher M. Heath

"Azieran: Beyond the Black Veil" in Stalking Shadows
"Azieran: In the Wake of Ain Koph's Fall" in Grendelsong #4
"Azieran: Kaiburr the Rotund"in Blood, Blade, and Thruster
"Azieran: Loxlimchk" in Turnpike Gates
"Azieran: The Crown of Roon" reprinted in SciFantastic #6
"Azieran: Creed of the Desert Kings" in Forgotten Worlds
"Azieran: Maixgloan" inGrendelSong #2
"Azieran: She of the White Lotus" in Sages and Swords
"Azieran: Blood and Kings" novella by Carnifex Press

+ others